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VAT on Sage...so confused!!


I've just set up a new business and am very new to Sage and book keeping too so please bear with me here.

My business is not VAT registered.
I buy products which I have to pay VAT on.
I don't want to issue invoices to customers where they can see the VAT on so I sell things at normal rounded off prices like £9.99 etc. instead of £8.24 plus VAT (if you know what I mean!)
I've entered my products onto Sage at cost price....in other words the cost price I have put on for my products is what I buy it at plus the VAT I am charged.  
My sales price is what I have researched and want to sell it at...hope thats right.

Right then, what VAT code do I use on the product record in the 'defaults' part?  Do I use T1 cos the supplier charges me VAT or is this wrong cos I don't pay VAT?

Also, when I am doing a customer invoice, how do I get the VAT not to show up on the invoice I am sending out to the customer?  Or does it need to show up on there??

AND does anyone know how I can apply a charge to invoices?  Some of my products are bought over the net and I am charged a fee for using Paypal so I need to account for this in my invoice too.

Hope all this makes sense.  Im on a steep learning curve here but want to get it right for when my books are due.  I'd be mortified if the accountant tells me my books are soooo far out!!!

Many thanks.

Helen

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Helen

First and foremost, if you are not VAT registered you cannot charge or show VAT on your invoices.

As you are not VAT registered it really doesn't matter what tax code you use unless you are considering either registering or being forced to register due to turnover reaching £75,000.

As Sage defaults to T1 if you change T1 to zero percent tax then all will be fine and dandy.  You can do this through Settings - configuration - tax codes.

As regards pricing all you need to show on your invoice is the unit price at which you are selling the item the quantity and the total price.  If you want to charge postage and packing or courier separately to identify it from your usual sales you can add this as an additional item and post to a different code in 4000 range.

Hope this helps

Sheila


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Huge thanks Semsley!!

All is clear now and I shall proceed with my invoicing now. I was worried that because I was being charged VAT on the products I bought from suppliers I had to show it somewhere but if I just put everything under T1 but change it from 17.5 to 0 that should be fine right?

Many thanks.

Helen

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That should be fine unless you are contemplating registering for VAT any time soon.

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No I don't make enough money!!!

Just a quick question though, when I change the tax code to zero, it also affects the supplier invoices as they come up all VAT 0 too as though the products I have bought have no VAT on them. But on my paper invoices I recieve from them there is VAT on them so surely if Im putting say a purchase order on the system it needs to show the VAT as it does on the actual paper invoice I am copying from? Am I making sense??

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Hi Helen

The same goes for your purchases as it does with your sales. As you are not VAT registered you will not charge VAT to your customers and therefore not pay it to HMRC likewise you will receive invoices from your suppliers which will include VAT and must not be shown separately as you will not claim this back from HMRC.

So if you receive a purchase invoice for £100 + £17.50 VAT you will process it on the gross amount of £117.50 and don't account for the VAT.

When raising a purchase order on your system your purchase price for the goods will have to include VAT

Hope that helps.

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Thank you Mark. It makes alot more sense now.

I have now changed all my products to code T0 so they don't show any VAT on my purchase invoices or my customer invoices. Hope this is ok.

Many thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

Helen

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Hi Helen,

T0 is zero-rated vat exempt products

you should ideally use T9 (Transactions not involving VAT)

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Hi Helen,

T0 is zero-rated vat exempt products

you should ideally use T9 (Transactions not involving VAT)



If you are not VAT registered nor intending to be so (due to being under limit) it doesn't matter which T code you use in SAGE, however, as SAGE defaults to T1 it is easier to make T1 zero and use that for everything as you don't need to account for VAT.

Also T0 is for zero-rated items, T2 is for exempt items.  Exempt and zero rated are not the same thing.

 



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In my understanding

T2 - is for exempt items which are classed as a business supply or service e.g. insurance, stamps

T9 - is for exempt items which aren't classed as a business supply e.g wages, drawings and capital introduced.

I'd agree with Sheila and just change T1 to 0%, if you're not going to be registered for Vat - who cares if Sage Vat reports aren't 100% accurate.


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-- Edited by ADAS on Monday 30th of August 2010 09:26:04 PM

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Another option is to go to Customer and Supplier defaults in the Settings menu to default to Std Tax Code T9.



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Yes Bill but surely it is easier to just alter the T1 to zero, this only has to be done once. Your method involves two processes.biggrinbiggrin

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