Exactly - the snoopers' charter is a good example of what I was talking about before. There are aspects of it that would be illegal as part of the EU.
Note to self: My local MP voted in favour of it - so if she comes-a-knocking on my door in the next round of local elections, begging for a vote, this will be something to bring up.
I would fully support a proper human rights act, but the present one is so weak that it is vastly abused. A hate preacher declares his human right to remain in this country, even though he hates the UK, is just one daft example.
It's too much in favour of the namby pamby pc brigade.
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It made me chuckle when she was asked how long she spent deliberating over each warrant, if you like, which she has sanctioned. About as long as it takes to sign the darn thing! Most likely!
Similar to a police officer asking a magistrate for a search warrant no doubt - how many get refused??
Whilst being a member of the EU, at least there is some form of accountability, to dare I say - higher powers.
A lot can sound like a giant conspiracy theory, yet it really is 1984. They already know what they want to know, the thorn in their side is encryption - how they'd love to get rid of that!!
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John - I totally agree, that in that case in particular it was abused.
I think for the most part, its been there for the good.
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And there we go. No wonder Ms May was so set on leaving the EU, to begin with! I wondered why labour abstained from the snoopers bill vote....wolves in sheep's clothing. Lawyers aren't happy either http://www.legalcheek.com/2016/03/lawyers-professional-privilege-under-threat-from-snoopers-charter/
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Anyone returned their propaganda sheets? Lol. I tell you what I think would have been nice - truthful information for both, staying in and leaving, as an oppose to showing the best of being in, without any mention of any negatives.
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Whilst all of my other family members have returned theirs I've still got mine on the grounds that it may become a collectors item if I'm one of the few that have not returned it.
I'm also being very careful to keep it in an unopened state as I don't want creases detracting fro its value.
Did you hear that the person whose photgraphs were used is actually in the out camp and gave no permission for their photo's to be used in the publication.
Also, a debate is scheduled on this waste of money but although the debate was granted before the distribution of the nbooklets it was not scheduled until after the propaganda had already been distributed!
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Hey. Yes I did hear of that. What a cheek! I did hear he received x amount, after the fact, and donated it to charity - yet still not the point! If we use a copyrighted image on our websites..... I like the idea of it being a collectors item in future! Although my funny moment of the week has to be Dennis Skinner being asked to leave parliament for the day, due to calling the PM Dodgy Dave, twice. (Happens to be on YouTube...)
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Uncommon common sense here from the person who really should be the PM as unlike Mr Cameron he actually truly believes in the country and may have been paying attention during history lessons.
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Agreed. Should we leave, I can't see the current PM staying in power for the remainder of his tenure. Boris as the new leader? Would have been George...now however....All my opinions of course.
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Would be interesting to hear if anyone's had any changes in their thoughts, or additional comments to add?
Being 23, and not knowing life before the EU, I feel as thought I'm uninformed (in a non bias way) by the government, and I've just had comments from friends and family to go on as well as my own research.
I think I know what I'm going to vote, and have my reasons for it.
Just hope I manage to get the damn thing done in time!(Turns out I voted for the Police and Crime commissioner about 2 weeks late!)
Definitely out - time for a change. We can get by without the EU. Chances are others will follow as we are the 'greatest' nation currently within :) Someone say 'domino effect??' New PM within six months too...
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Think that jobs got Boris written all over it Johnny.
The increasingly desperate obvious lies from Cameron and Osborne are now getting pretty sad. I'm fully expecting us all to be hit with the revelation on the 22nd that anyone who votes out on the 23rd will spontaneously combust.
I think that the real issue here is that they are of a generation of politicians that still think that the voters will believe absolutely anything that they are told.
The real worry is that if Cameron and Osborne are left in power they will do everything in their power to attempt to prove that their outrageous claims of impending armagedon were legitimate.
No matter how the vote goes I would hope that both of them are out of downing street by the 24th.... And I'm a Conservative!!!!
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Yes for sure, the propaganda machine has been truly unbelievable. The concern I have is that Zippy and Bungle will have almost complete control over the country without a ECJ, until a vote of no confidence of course. Lets be fair, there are pros and cons to both leave and stay - for me it is the ECJ, for some, that is a con...
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"I'm fully expecting us all to be hit with the revelation on the 22nd that anyone who votes out on the 23rd will spontaneously combust."
I was making similar comments only yesterday. The way the claims of what 'will' happen (should really be 'could' happen) have been escalating, I'm wondering when we'll see claims that:
If we vote to leave the EU, climate change will worsen in Britain; there will be more flooding than ever before, and eventually we'll find ourselves in our very own ice age.
If we vote to leave the EU, mainland Britain will be bombarded by meteorites.
If we vote to leave the EU, we will suffer an epic plague that will all but wipe out the British public.
If we vote to leave the EU, dinosaurs will rise up and roam the country.
If we vote to leave the EU, we will be invaded by aliens from the planet Vnoolig Alpha, who will eat our children with a side order of rice.
I said some time ago that I'm undecided, but leaning slightly towards 'in' - the propaganda machine that the in-camp have fired up, though, is swaying me towards 'out'.
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A new day - a new revelation. I'm not a conservative supporter but DC has hit a new low imo. Yes, I do believe there will be a tumultuous year or two while we adjust to being out of the EU, but I believe the positives are strong enough to warrant it. A net £9b a year back in our coffers with the flexibility to choose how we spend the £4-5b that is rebated indirectly (farmers etc) Ability to trade with the rest of the world without EU restrictions. I'm fairly sure that trading with the EU will not be as restrictive as the remain campaigners are making it out to be. Our own Bill of Rights rather than the human rights act that frankly, has made a mockery of proper human rights
Will people be swayed enough by the mighty propaganda machine? I hope not but the polls appear to be swinging in that direction. However when I read comments on social media and online news, they show a heavy bias to coming out.
Joanne, there should have been an equal amount allowed to both sides, and the Government (well at least the cabinet) should have kept well out of it imo.
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Heard a comment on the radio from a representative of the car manufacturers the other day John that in or out of Europe the investment in the UK remains.
Thats not the story that we are getting from the politicians in the remain campaign who are factoring car manufacture out of their calculations.
When all that we are getting is spin does it not come down to the basic question of whether we want to rule ourselves or allow ourselves to be ruled by others.
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When all that we are getting is spin does it not come down to the basic question of whether we want to rule ourselves or allow ourselves to be ruled by others.
Good point.
Is it true that the Budget has to be approved by EU before it is presented in parliament? A mate of mine informed me about this a couple of months ago. Just googled but I think its referring to EU oversight due to EDP deficit.
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I don't believe that there is direct interference as such but the budget has to adhere to the financial guidelines and restrictions dictated by Europe.
For example we cannot tell Spanish fishermen to bugger off from our waters (until June the 24th!) as Europe can give them quota's of what we deem to be our resources so for matters such as that the budget has to work around dictats from Brussels that could be challenged in European courts which are deemed to be higher than our own.
Maybe thats the sort of thing that your mates seen bandied around?
I do not however believe that the budget has to be approved by Europe but elements of it could be challenged in Europe.
p.s. I'm no expert of the fisheries so the above could be completely incorrect. I just know that there are a lot of very angry British fishermen out there.
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I've taken a screen shot of the advert embedded in this thread :
Good to know that the site is now getting comments in applicable threads from such greats as Mr Branson... Just to say here that I do actually genuinely admire him as a great business leader so for once I'm not taking the P. Just amused at the irony of that ad appearing in this thread.
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