Problem with EPS - The Book-keepers Forum (UK)

Peasie · Expert

Problem with EPS

Bucks Bodger · Senior Member

Doing my first pay run under RTI - have successfully filed an FPS, but when I come to do the

Employer Payment Summary I get the message which appears below - can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong ?

Eunice

The data that you are attempting to submit to HM Revenue & Customs has failed the initial validation checks. The reason(s) for this is shown below.

You will need to take the appropriate action and then start the submission process again.

Click the 'Next' button to continue.

If [RECOVERABLEAMOUNTSYEARTODATE] is present, at least one of [SSPRECOVERED] or [SMPRECOVERED] or [OSPPRECOVERED] or [SAPRECOVERED] or [ASPPRECOVERED] or [NICCOMPENSATIONONSMP] or [NICCOMPENSATIONONOSPP] or [NICCOMPENSATIONONSAP] or [NICCOMPENSATIONONASPP] or [CISDEDUCTIONSSUFFERED] or [NICSHOLIDAY] must be present.
There must be an entry in at least one of [SSPRECOVERED], [SMPRECOVERED], [OSPPRECOVERED], [SAPRECOVERED], [ASPPRECOVERED], [NICCOMPENSATIONONSMP], [NICCOMPENSATIONONOSPP], [NICCOMPENSATIONONSAP], [NICCOMPENSATIONONASPP], [CISDEDUCTIONSSUFFERED] or [NICSHOLIDAY] if [RECOVERABLEAMOUNTSYEARTODATE] is present. Please check
Diagnostic message:
Assertion failure:
7862

Bucks Bodger · Senior Member

Peasie

Thank you so much for the reply - no failure of diplomacy, very tactfully put !

You have hit the nail on the head - nothing to alter the amount of Tax & NI due, so that
must be the problem - I thought I had to submit something as I read something like
"even if you haven't got a figure to enter you need to fill out every box" - I took that
to mean even if all the boxes were nil you still had to do it (which did seem like a complete
waste of time & effort!), but it must have meant as long as there was something in one
of the boxes...

Anyway, now I know, I don't need to submit an EPS, so thanks for putting me right!

I just said to my husband, I've read a lot of stuff about RTI but reading it and doing it
are 2 different things !

Thanks again.

karenfhealy · Newbie

Hi there

I am also getting the message that Eunice had when trying to submit my first EPS. I have no recoverable amounts but I do have one CIS payment for the month.

Do I still have to submit an EPS? Is the 'Additional Employer Payments' just for my info as a colleague has suggested? Also, I've heard that you DONT need to fill in a recoverable amounts for each pay period if this is zero (contrary to what RTI says!). Is this true?

Please help!

Tom McClelland · Senior Member

You need to file an EPS to show that you've suffered CIS deductions from a client during the month.

You don't need to file an EPS to show CIS300 subcontractor deductions. HMRC will add these on to your liability automatically.

karenfhealy · Newbie

Hi Tom

Thanks for your quick response. To clarify, we withhold tax from one subcontractor and file a monthly paper return. Therefore, we have no EPS to file? Does this mean we will never need to file an EPS unless we pay sick pay etc?

Tom McClelland · Senior Member

karenfhealy wrote:
Hi Tom

Thanks for your quick response. To clarify, we withhold tax from one subcontractor and file a monthly paper return. Therefore, we have no EPS to file? Does this mean we will never need to file an EPS unless we pay sick pay etc?

The circumstances in which an EPS is required are:

PAYE adjustment such as SSP recovery
No FPS filed for a whole PAYE month
CIS Suffered (ie client deducts CIS from payment)
Final declaration at end of PAYE year (this can also be filed with the final FPS)

karenfhealy · Newbie

Thanks again. You've helped me out tremendously!!

Hilary · Newbie

Hi, I have been told by HMRC that I need to submit an EPS for 2 companies that have ceased trading but their schemes have remained open in order to reclaim CIS deductions suffered on old retention amounts that they have still been collecting.

Because I haven't submitted these EPS's HMRC have estimated amounts that these companies now owe (though goodness knows where they magiced the figures from as it is some years since either company had any employees!). In order to correct this I have to submit online so I have downloaded the basic PAYE tools, completed the information for one of the companies, tried to submit and have received the same message - Assertion failure 7862 - any ideas as to what I do now please? I'm reluctant to ring HMRC again as it takes so long to get to speak to an adviser :(.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

B00kkeeper · Newbie

One answer to error code 7862:

The system asked for an EPS submission even though I had no recoverable amounts to enter. On consulting the Helpdesk I was told how to simply delete the requirement:

On the Employer page (of Basic PAYE Tools RTI)

click on 'Employer Payment Summary and recoverable amounts' (3rd option down)

This will offer you a table of entries with an option to delete them.

Click delete on each one

That should remove the requirement to submit an EPS as long as one isn't actually due.

I wonder if the original error arose through entering nil amounts in the payment submissions.